Revenue and the Arcade Biz

YourGaming · 05-14-2007, 05:36 PM

aaaah I may make this long! sorry!

I just wanted to make a few points about what I think of arcades at the moment;

The market is severly overflowed with bad sites and lots of repetition

This is thanks to the incentives of simply slapping adsense on and getting clicks! This has resulted in such a huge flow of sites that visitors are stretched over more sites.

Misconception of revenue

Adsense has outlived itself now, you see these WOW I MAKE THOUSANDS, in reality when they have it is through lots of organic traffic and worthy advertising. Not through a quick banner exchange or url submission.

YPN, the fact it is beta should tell you it is more rewarding than compared with after. I may be wrong but it is not as good as before and will continue to decline.

The way these programmes work is the company looks how well advertising performs, if they see your website generating $1,000/month and most are by young kids that don't match up with their expected performance they lower the reward per click or penalise you, etc

Let's not forget Google's latest news of advert position which most of us will still be violating not knowingly, they will probably profit from it making millions first then taking accounts so they don't pay the webmasters.

So what's the point of this?

Well if you have seen or know this then cool, I just see a lot of speculation on Adsense and YPN, having experienced just Adsense and knowing people with YPN I just see it like I said above. The real way to live off these two would be to have huge organic traffic, something you get only with time. A quick entrance and exit after making thousands is not likely, but could still happen.

Seek other sources of revenue and if you are serious build up traffic first!

NightLinks · 05-14-2007, 06:20 PM

Thanks for posting!

khang · 05-14-2007, 07:16 PM

it is call the survival of fittness

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john274 · 09-02-2007, 07:32 PM

I agree about the survival of fitness. There are many arcade sites that are launching, thinking that they will make some good money when infact once they setup their site they then realize it is not as easy as they first thought.

saidev · 09-02-2007, 08:20 PM

I found that the setup is the easy part, the maintenance, traffic driving, link submission and adding new games are the real work.

john274 · 09-02-2007, 09:04 PM

I am a programmer. I can program a lot of stuff. I have written many sites via notepad plus using graphics software. Adding games, building and designing the website, updating the site, etc are the easy parts. The most time consuming and not so good job is the marketing of the site. It is a very slow process and once you have submitted your site to a few sites you have already used up around 8 hours or so of the day.

Due to this, I find outsourcing of some of your advertising work is a good addition to any business model.

Fahd · 09-05-2007, 11:43 AM

I think you both meant 'survival of the fittest'.

Yes, the market is severely crowded so the question is, what makes your arcade any different from the other millions out there?

john274 · 09-05-2007, 08:53 PM

Yeah, I writen my post while I had already been on the computer for 15 or so hours and was getting very tired then. Survival of the fittest is what I was mean't to say.

digitali16 · 10-17-2007, 11:46 PM

I am a noob to Arcades but a long time webmaster. I generally worked my 1 site for 5 years with my brother and I am working on growing a network of sites now. You guys are making it sound like the $1k / day the guy I bought the script off of told me about might be a bit unrealistic LOL. Seriously I got that noob excitement in me now and I am working day in / out on the arcade site with my brother but honestly so far from what I see

Adsense sucks: How on earth did I get 1 cent clicks. I used to buy off of adsense and can't understand how this happens. I have an Idea of how though and I know a trick that I will test and see if it works.

CPA: Hard to get guys to signup for the site free so CPA's not easy without TONS of traffic

CPM: Don't know but without traffic tough I guess from experience with other sites.

I am going to do some post on what I have done to start my website off. Nothing special but it may help some guys newer than this arcade Noob. I definately agree though that there are alot of quickie sites out there though. Wish you guys would have told me before I started this. Now I am in and just hope for the best.

woochoochinchilla · 10-18-2007, 02:46 AM

My first site I started little over 2 years ago was a flash games/animations site with only 4 content pages. I was 17 then and knew absolutely nothing about making money online. After awhile I learned about Google Adsense and others and added them to my pages. I probably spent $2000 to get more visitors from crap sites that gave fake visits.

Now I have 3 arcades and think I finally found a trick. When you advertise with AdWords and others your CTR increases big time. All you need to do is sign up as a publisher on at least 2 different networks like AdToll and AdEngage and find a really low cost advertising solution that increases you CTR a lot. After a week or 2 you will be getting tons of paid traffic and your ad booking pages on AdEngage etc will be high in the site directories. Just keep it up and sell out that space making 2-3x what your spending on advertising.

So far this has been working great for me. But I only just started getting purchases because Alexa.com didn't update my rank for over 2 weeks. My one week rank has been hovering around the 200,000 area for a week. Next week I am going to put a hold on my ad campaigns to see how well the traffic is sticking. It seems to be sticking pretty well.

05-14-2007, 05:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
YourGaming Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 11	Revenue and the Arcade Biz aaaah I may make this long! sorry! I just wanted to make a few points about what I think of arcades at the moment; The market is severly overflowed with bad sites and lots of repetition This is thanks to the incentives of simply slapping adsense on and getting clicks! This has resulted in such a huge flow of sites that visitors are stretched over more sites. Misconception of revenue Adsense has outlived itself now, you see these WOW I MAKE THOUSANDS, in reality when they have it is through lots of organic traffic and worthy advertising. Not through a quick banner exchange or url submission. YPN, the fact it is beta should tell you it is more rewarding than compared with after. I may be wrong but it is not as good as before and will continue to decline. The way these programmes work is the company looks how well advertising performs, if they see your website generating $1,000/month and most are by young kids that don't match up with their expected performance they lower the reward per click or penalise you, etc Let's not forget Google's latest news of advert position which most of us will still be violating not knowingly, they will probably profit from it making millions first then taking accounts so they don't pay the webmasters. So what's the point of this? Well if you have seen or know this then cool, I just see a lot of speculation on Adsense and YPN, having experienced just Adsense and knowing people with YPN I just see it like I said above. The real way to live off these two would be to have huge organic traffic, something you get only with time. A quick entrance and exit after making thousands is not likely, but could still happen. Seek other sources of revenue and if you are serious build up traffic first!

09-02-2007, 07:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
john274 Full Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 97	I agree about the survival of fitness. There are many arcade sites that are launching, thinking that they will make some good money when infact once they setup their site they then realize it is not as easy as they first thought. __________________ Free Online Games \| Funny Videos \| Funny Pictures Providing you with some of the best humor on the web which is updated daily!

09-02-2007, 09:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
john274 Full Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 97	I am a programmer. I can program a lot of stuff. I have written many sites via notepad plus using graphics software. Adding games, building and designing the website, updating the site, etc are the easy parts. The most time consuming and not so good job is the marketing of the site. It is a very slow process and once you have submitted your site to a few sites you have already used up around 8 hours or so of the day. Due to this, I find outsourcing of some of your advertising work is a good addition to any business model. __________________ Free Online Games \| Funny Videos \| Funny Pictures Providing you with some of the best humor on the web which is updated daily!

09-05-2007, 11:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
Fahd Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,168	I think you both meant 'survival of the fittest'. Yes, the market is severely crowded so the question is, what makes your arcade any different from the other millions out there? __________________ Arcade Partner Program \| Arcade Affiliate Program \| Free Website Monitoring Free Games \| Exchange Links \| Download Games New Games \| Top Games \| Arcade Games \| Card Games \| Mahjong Games \| Puzzle Games \| Word Games

09-05-2007, 08:53 PM	#8 (permalink)
john274 Full Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 97	Yeah, I writen my post while I had already been on the computer for 15 or so hours and was getting very tired then. Survival of the fittest is what I was mean't to say. __________________ Free Online Games \| Funny Videos \| Funny Pictures Providing you with some of the best humor on the web which is updated daily!

05-14-2007, 06:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
NightLinks Preferred Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bronx, NY Posts: 125	Thanks for posting!

05-14-2007, 07:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
khang Preferred Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 178	it is call the survival of fittness .

09-02-2007, 08:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
saidev Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 15	I found that the setup is the easy part, the maintenance, traffic driving, link submission and adding new games are the real work.

10-17-2007, 11:46 PM	#9 (permalink)
digitali16 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 519	I am a noob to Arcades but a long time webmaster. I generally worked my 1 site for 5 years with my brother and I am working on growing a network of sites now. You guys are making it sound like the $1k / day the guy I bought the script off of told me about might be a bit unrealistic LOL. Seriously I got that noob excitement in me now and I am working day in / out on the arcade site with my brother but honestly so far from what I see Adsense sucks: How on earth did I get 1 cent clicks. I used to buy off of adsense and can't understand how this happens. I have an Idea of how though and I know a trick that I will test and see if it works. CPA: Hard to get guys to signup for the site free so CPA's not easy without TONS of traffic CPM: Don't know but without traffic tough I guess from experience with other sites. I am going to do some post on what I have done to start my website off. Nothing special but it may help some guys newer than this arcade Noob. I definately agree though that there are alot of quickie sites out there though. Wish you guys would have told me before I started this. Now I am in and just hope for the best. __________________ Fun Online Games \| Sonic and Mario Games \| Trade arcade traffic 1:1 Our New Arcade script is coming to the market soon!

10-18-2007, 02:46 AM	#10 (permalink)
woochoochinchilla Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 836	My first site I started little over 2 years ago was a flash games/animations site with only 4 content pages. I was 17 then and knew absolutely nothing about making money online. After awhile I learned about Google Adsense and others and added them to my pages. I probably spent $2000 to get more visitors from crap sites that gave fake visits. Now I have 3 arcades and think I finally found a trick. When you advertise with AdWords and others your CTR increases big time. All you need to do is sign up as a publisher on at least 2 different networks like AdToll and AdEngage and find a really low cost advertising solution that increases you CTR a lot. After a week or 2 you will be getting tons of paid traffic and your ad booking pages on AdEngage etc will be high in the site directories. Just keep it up and sell out that space making 2-3x what your spending on advertising. So far this has been working great for me. But I only just started getting purchases because Alexa.com didn't update my rank for over 2 weeks. My one week rank has been hovering around the 200,000 area for a week. Next week I am going to put a hold on my ad campaigns to see how well the traffic is sticking. It seems to be sticking pretty well.

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