Onarcade filing false claims against gubug - Page 6

dWhite · 06-17-2008, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hans

well, actually you said that you used the same script, but you modified it a bit

Just adding some new features or fixing some bugs doesn't make it your script, I am still the author.

If 90% or higher of the source code is modified by him, it no longer is the original script, but rather a new one.

digitali16 · 06-17-2008, 01:03 PM

Dude modify was a bad choice of words on my part. When you rewrite something 100% ( as I stated in my quote ) how on earth are you still the author? Again why not just post one (1) unique data structure or algorithm that you wrote for onarcade 1.0.

LearnNewbie · 06-17-2008, 01:03 PM

Can someone please tell me the different between two script, some how its look a like to me. I am pretty sure even the older version of GS is more alike

While i browse through sitepoint http://marketplace.sitepoint.com/listings/37843

This site using GameSiteScript 3.2: http://arcade.gcindiana.info/

login admin:
http://www.kedoba.com/admin/

http://arcade.gcindiana.info/admin/

Password recovery:
http://www.kedoba.com/index.php?action=lostpw
http://arcade.gcindiana.info/index.p...login/recover/

Register:
http://www.kedoba.com/index.php?action=register
http://arcade.gcindiana.info/index.p...ster/register/

so if we look the url, its almost the same [ index.php?] and the only differ is action and params......of course we can change the variable to anything we want

what you think?

i am 99.999999% sure that the first version is not completly wrote from scratch

, Either he took from opensource or stolen from GS or someone else

woochoochinchilla · 06-17-2008, 01:30 PM

Hans your sounding more defensive than Alfred.

This is what I am seeing.

Hans: HG take down this site.
Alfred: Upset and wanting answers.
Hans: You stole from me admit it.
Alfred: Provides Proof of purchase on Ebay to show he is not liable.
Hans: Ignoring........
Alfred: Says he rewrote 90% of the script. Meaning he owns the majority of it. Majority rules. Insists that Hans provide proof other than similar HTML code.
Hans: Quotes different parts of peoples replies to help him twist words around. Ignores request for proof.
Alfred: Asks for proof again.
Hans: Indirectly states that changing something by 90% is not a lot. Still ignoring requests for proof.

The only thing I see here is somebody withholding information that can easily make or break his case. I am starting to think it is the latter.

hitsfree · 06-17-2008, 01:32 PM

digitali16 wrote - "Dude modify was a bad choice of words on my part. When you rewrite something 100% ( as I stated in my quote ) how on earth are you still the author?"

Hans may not be author anymore, but if he put the original script, open source code together and you used it knowlingly, you are in wrong digitali16.

uglygit · 06-17-2008, 01:38 PM

If no parties are willing to back down then this can only lead to the courts, whereby all code snippets,proofs etc will need to be presented. At the moment Alfred is losing business from his site being down and Hans will see a loss in script sales so this isn't good for either. Both gentlemen need to resolve their grievances by appointing a third party they can trust and ask them to look at elements of the scripts code.

LearnNewbie · 06-17-2008, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitsfree

digitali16 wrote - "Dude modify was a bad choice of words on my part. When you rewrite something 100% ( as I stated in my quote ) how on earth are you still the author?"

Hans may not be author anymore, but if he put the original script, open source code together and you used it knowlingly, you are in wrong digitali16.

According to GPL, no matter what you did as long as you took the code from the open source you CANT clamin as your, you can modify, use it BUT you cant SELL IT.

SO THE SCRIPT IS FREE ?

peter_anderson · 06-17-2008, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitsfree

digitali16 wrote - "Dude modify was a bad choice of words on my part. When you rewrite something 100% ( as I stated in my quote ) how on earth are you still the author?"

Hans may not be author anymore, but if he put the original script, open source code together and you used it knowlingly, you are in wrong digitali16.

Totally agree with you

enTraffic · 06-17-2008, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperNovaArcade

According to that, if he is in fact using opensource code, that is another count of copyright infringement. That makes 2 counts against him, which in court can be a hefty fine.

That actually isn't fully true.

According to http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd ...

Quote:

1. Free Redistribution

The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources. The license shall not require a royalty or other fee for such sale.

I am happy someone on the board has examined the code from Gubug and compared it to onArcade. This is something that should've been done at the beginning, however it probably would be better if someone not involved in this discussion examines the code so no bias could be found. Maybe the owner of TalkArcades?

Also Gubug, can you take some screenshots of your admin control panel for your website? I know its down, but I'm guessing you have access to it on your local comptuer somewhere.

Hans does have a point regarding the fact that Gubug's owner did state multiple times they modified the original code they purchased from the eBay auction, and again, if this was onArcade code, even if you modified it, its still built around onArcade. No matter how many modifications you add to a script or re-code a script. Now if you said "Me and my brother coded this arcade from the bottom up from scratch" then Hans really couldn't say anything in this matter.

Again, like I said before, this seems like a matter that could be easily cleared up just by providing some sort of evidence to Hans and Hostgator showing why Gubug's backend doesn't have any part of onArcade's code in it. Really all you need to do is find out what Hans says is in your script that is onArcade and give Hostgator evidence to show otherwise. If you don't have clear evidence showing so, you really may want to talk with Hans and come to some sort of agreement ... it not worth losing hundreds of dollars per day especially if this goes on for weeks and weeks. I have a feeling Hostgator, although a very good company, gets hundreds of DCMA requests per week, thus it might take them a while to look over your case to see if you are worth re-activating.

digitali16 · 06-17-2008, 01:51 PM

WOW hitsfree let me say this again. I am not USING any of that buggy code. My site crashed several times on that code. Funklicks helped me learn to slow down my impressions when Mark was running off impressions and to be honest so did arcadebanners ( when there stuff was good ). I had to slow down my impressions because that original script was so resource intensive that it crashed EVERY TIME. XweaselX Anthony set up with me late one night joking about how my site kept crashing. We had to rewrite and the work was ours and there fore it is not Hans script. RickyG used to turn my banners off when I was using his exchange because again my site kept CRASHING. I am not using that buggy code and I don't have to because we wrote our own. Hans can't share one thing at all not one (1) original algorithm he wrote. Where is his proof because I have tons of mine and I shared several things in this thread.

06-17-2008, 01:03 PM	#52 (permalink)
digitali16 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 519	Dude modify was a bad choice of words on my part. When you rewrite something 100% ( as I stated in my quote ) how on earth are you still the author? Again why not just post one (1) unique data structure or algorithm that you wrote for onarcade 1.0. __________________ Fun Online Games \| Sonic and Mario Games \| Trade arcade traffic 1:1 Our New Arcade script is coming to the market soon!

06-17-2008, 01:30 PM	#54 (permalink)
woochoochinchilla Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 836	Hans your sounding more defensive than Alfred. This is what I am seeing. Hans: HG take down this site. Alfred: Upset and wanting answers. Hans: You stole from me admit it. Alfred: Provides Proof of purchase on Ebay to show he is not liable. Hans: Ignoring........ Alfred: Says he rewrote 90% of the script. Meaning he owns the majority of it. Majority rules. Insists that Hans provide proof other than similar HTML code. Hans: Quotes different parts of peoples replies to help him twist words around. Ignores request for proof. Alfred: Asks for proof again. Hans: Indirectly states that changing something by 90% is not a lot. Still ignoring requests for proof. The only thing I see here is somebody withholding information that can easily make or break his case. I am starting to think it is the latter. __________________

06-17-2008, 01:32 PM	#55 (permalink)
hitsfree Cranky Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 564	digitali16 wrote - "Dude modify was a bad choice of words on my part. When you rewrite something 100% ( as I stated in my quote ) how on earth are you still the author?" Hans may not be author anymore, but if he put the original script, open source code together and you used it knowlingly, you are in wrong digitali16. __________________ The old racist Harry Reid said Burris couldn't be selected as Senator a week ago, now he says maybe? Hmm which way is it? 100% accuracy and nothing less!

06-17-2008, 01:38 PM	#56 (permalink)
uglygit Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 783	If no parties are willing to back down then this can only lead to the courts, whereby all code snippets,proofs etc will need to be presented. At the moment Alfred is losing business from his site being down and Hans will see a loss in script sales so this isn't good for either. Both gentlemen need to resolve their grievances by appointing a third party they can trust and ask them to look at elements of the scripts code. __________________ arcade games - fun for all the family flash games - more gaming fun than you can handle Fizzy - Earn $25 Dollars for signing up & 0.01 per click Mochi Publisher - Get cash for games already on your site BigFish - Mod already here game script - probably the most advanced script in the world

06-17-2008, 01:51 PM	#60 (permalink)
digitali16 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 519	WOW hitsfree let me say this again. I am not USING any of that buggy code. My site crashed several times on that code. Funklicks helped me learn to slow down my impressions when Mark was running off impressions and to be honest so did arcadebanners ( when there stuff was good ). I had to slow down my impressions because that original script was so resource intensive that it crashed EVERY TIME. XweaselX Anthony set up with me late one night joking about how my site kept crashing. We had to rewrite and the work was ours and there fore it is not Hans script. RickyG used to turn my banners off when I was using his exchange because again my site kept CRASHING. I am not using that buggy code and I don't have to because we wrote our own. Hans can't share one thing at all not one (1) original algorithm he wrote. Where is his proof because I have tons of mine and I shared several things in this thread. __________________ Fun Online Games \| Sonic and Mario Games \| Trade arcade traffic 1:1 Our New Arcade script is coming to the market soon!

06-17-2008, 01:03 PM	#53 (permalink)
LearnNewbie Preferred Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 182	Can someone please tell me the different between two script, some how its look a like to me. I am pretty sure even the older version of GS is more alike While i browse through sitepoint http://marketplace.sitepoint.com/listings/37843 This site using GameSiteScript 3.2: http://arcade.gcindiana.info/ login admin: http://www.kedoba.com/admin/ http://arcade.gcindiana.info/admin/ Password recovery: http://www.kedoba.com/index.php?action=lostpw http://arcade.gcindiana.info/index.p...login/recover/ Register: http://www.kedoba.com/index.php?action=register http://arcade.gcindiana.info/index.p...ster/register/ so if we look the url, its almost the same [ index.php?] and the only differ is action and params......of course we can change the variable to anything we want what you think? i am 99.999999% sure that the first version is not completly wrote from scratch , Either he took from opensource or stolen from GS or someone else

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