Onarcade filing false claims against gubug - Page 5

Ryan1212 · 06-17-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by enTraffic

Honestly all this takes is Hans to provide some evidence that there are unique aspects of onArcade that were part of Gubug. Hans did provide some aspects of Gubug that are the exact as what was in OnArcade. I know the owner of Gubug mentioned they re-coded over 90% of whatever they purchased from eBay, but it should still be easy as comparing both scripts to see if similarities. But also on the other hand, if it truly was OnArcade at the beginning, it doesn't matter if GuBug recoded 90% of 1%, it was still OnArcade at the beginning.

The argument that so and so purchased the script on ebay and therefore should be entitled to a free or discounted license is not a good argument at all. Neither is the argument that something was an older version or buggy so it should be free. If the script indeed was v1 or v-whatever of onArcade it requires to be licensed.

Basically its like saying since Microsoft released VISTA and that there are bugs in Windows XP, that Windows XP should be free for everyone and everyone has the right to do what they want with it.

I am not taking sides in this matter, but if Hans believed that Gubug was running onArcade and indeed sent email requests to GuBug regarding it and did not hear anything back, Hans had the right to proceed with his/her actions and most likely filed a DCMA request with Hostgator. All it takes (at least from what I was reading at HostGator) is providing proof to H ostgator that what Gubug was running was not OnArcade. I'm guessing it would have to be something that refutes OnArcade's claim on the DCMA they filed with the company.

But I also wonder if this could've been settled as easy as the other person who psoted in this thread they acquired an onArcade license from ebay and Hans gave them a free license. Not that Hans should be required in any way, shape or form to do so, but I wonder if GuBug just responded to Hans' emails, this might not have even happened.

I wish both parties luck in getting this resolved without either company losing revenue ... and I also want to apologize to all those who are still reading this post as I didn't think it would be this long of a post.

Id have to agree with pretty much everything you just said.

peter_anderson · 06-17-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Fahd

And there we have it! Looks like the ebay seller sold you a site built using a pirated copy of onarcade.

Yes. Just buy a licence

Fahd · 06-17-2008, 11:20 AM

Try talking to Hans, maybe he will hook you up with a free license like he did for the kedoba guy. Send him your ebay/paypal purchase receipt and maybe he will go after the seller as that should positively impact his business in the long run than getting a measly $70 from you.

digitali16 · 06-17-2008, 11:33 AM

Kedoba glad to hear that you got things straightened out on your end. I am not saying anything derogatory but our sites are not the same. I don't need a license from Hans because he will not get a license to claim our work.

Example:
Kedoba try and change your password on an account and watch how it does NOT work.
There is a flaw in the code where 2 different encryption techniques are referenced

one is MD5 and the other is Sha1
You know why errors like this come up often? Because someone takes open source code from different places and packs it all together and sells it to guys for their hard earned money. When our site is back online you will see that we had to rewrite that ENTIRE feature.
Now if anyone wants to pay him whatever for his buggy frankenstein code that is your money and you are free to do it. I want have my brother and myself sitting up hours on end for months on end redoing something to only say it belongs to someone who got sleep last night.

1. I never received one Email from hans nor PM nor phone message.
2. Hans has never attempted to provide us with any unique data structures and or algorithms specific to the onarcade v1.0 script. You can't have a license on intelectual property if you can't show this.

How much is our time worth and how much did we lose yesterday working on this. We don't just run arcades and this takes away from other stuff we do. I had to cancel a recording session the other day and it lost us $120 + the revenue of the Gubug site. Also other sites we could have worked on and our game was setback. Not to mention every traffic trading partner we had got nothing from us yesterday and that effects their revenue some.

Now I said 90% recoded because MYSQL is mysql and php is php. You create something with basic functions all of which built into your programming language and I ask you where is your INTELECTUAL PROPERTY? Jpeg can show their data scheme and that is there property and Dolby digital Noise reduction can do the same. Hans has not come forward with one (1) piece of unique code to say this was his work. Anyone can string together some opensource and write referrences of onarcade all over it. BTW I saw not 1 reference to his script and if he got stuff from open source and another guy done the same of course the scripts will look similar on the surface. They will even share some exact wording & placement & bugs.

Bottom line is there is NOTHING unique to onarcade in the coding of our site at this point. Therefore I don't see a reason to seek a license from Hans who has proved NOTHING. He only cost me more than $70 yesterday and I have our code that simply is not in any way constructed by him to back what I say up. I already gave away TONS of information in this thread to potential designers and webmasters. I proved that I paid for the script and we rewrote almost all of it now except basic functions built into the scripting language. I filled a counter complaint with hostgator and this will be resolved over there now if Hans wants to push this anymore then we have OUR UNIQUE CODE and experience and I stand by it.

digitali16 · 06-17-2008, 11:49 AM

You know after looking at those examples from leannewbie does anyone see my point. BTW that site was licensed as Game Site Script so now maybe Hans should pay those guys for his use of their version 1 code. Pirated software has the same unique code and can be proven easy. Hans most likely did not write much of version 1.0 at all and if so then why has he not pointed out one (1) unique piece of code. Also again look at that GSS site on sitepoint because it illustrates what I am saying.

Hans · 06-17-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by digitali16

Kedoba glad to hear that you got things straightened out on your end. I am not saying anything derogatory but our sites are not the same. I don't need a license from Hans because he will not get a license to claim our work.

but you admitted that you are using the same script?

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitali16

We originally had a free arcade script called playgames247
same as this site http://www.kedoba.com is using.

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitali16

Kedoba try and change your password on an account and watch how it does NOT work.
There is a flaw in the code where 2 different encryption techniques are referenced

one is MD5 and the other is Sha1
You know why errors like this come up often? Because someone takes open source code from different places and packs it all together and sells it to guys for their hard earned money.

Or maybe that was because when I started coding onArcade I wanted to use sha1, because it was suppose to be more difficult to break, but before releasing first version I decided to go over to md5, because most forum softwares were using md5 at that time (it made integration easier). And what did you have to rewrite? Changing md5 to sha1 in updateprofile.php isn't exactly rewriting the whole script.

So now you are admitting that you are using onArcade 1.0, but are not going to license it, because you think onArcade is a copy of some open source script? But if there is some kind of open source script, then why did you use onArcade?

digitali16 · 06-17-2008, 12:48 PM

Hey dude before you twist my words to much let me point something out.

1. Even in your quote I said to Kedoba " our sites are not the same "
2. In your other quote I said " we were ORIGINALLY using the same script as Kedoba
and that is not the case anymore and again I have the code to back this up. You
keep coming in here with plays on words and acusations that are not true when all
you have to do is prove you coded something with one (1) original unique piece of
code.
3. So while you were coding all this stuff from scratch in version 1 you got a vision of
an admin panel that looks EXACTLY like the admin login on GSS version 1? Now explain
that to everyone Mr Coder. I could go on for days explaining everything we put into OUR
script but I don't have to because I have Unique code that speaks for itself.

dWhite · 06-17-2008, 12:56 PM

5 full pages of this thread, and I just read each and every one of them and reviewed them carefully.

You have my 100% full support on this situation Digitali. I've taken the time awhile ago to compare GuBug, and I can tell that 90%+ of the code was rewritten and is sole property of you and your brother (was it your brother?).

For Hans to demand you pay for license so he can say that he owns the code, is a DMCA report against him for copyright infringement.

According to that, if he is in fact using opensource code, that is another count of copyright infringement. That makes 2 counts against him, which in court can be a hefty fine.

digitali16 · 06-17-2008, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hans

but you admitted that you are using the same script?
because most forum softwares were using md5 at that time (it made integration easier).

LOL yeah it was easier because you looked at their source code and tryed to hack something togehter instead of writing code from scratch. Dude you are just proving my point here why don't you just share one (1) unique data structure or algorithm from onarcade. I have shared a mountain of stuff that is unique to our script already and you called me some guy who ripped off warez and I even shared where I paid for the code that we have already at this point rewriten.

Hans · 06-17-2008, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitali16

1. Even in your quote I said to Kedoba " our sites are not the same "

well, actually you said that you used the same script, but you modified it a bit

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitali16

We originally had a free arcade script called playgames247
same as this site http://www.kedoba.com is using.
and we modified this script almost 100% now since then with many features not available on ANYONE who is selling these out of the box scripts.

Just adding some new features or fixing some bugs doesn't make it your script, I am still the author.

06-17-2008, 11:20 AM	#43 (permalink)
Fahd Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,168	Try talking to Hans, maybe he will hook you up with a free license like he did for the kedoba guy. Send him your ebay/paypal purchase receipt and maybe he will go after the seller as that should positively impact his business in the long run than getting a measly $70 from you. __________________ Arcade Partner Program \| Arcade Affiliate Program \| Free Website Monitoring Free Games \| Exchange Links \| Download Games New Games \| Top Games \| Arcade Games \| Card Games \| Mahjong Games \| Puzzle Games \| Word Games

06-17-2008, 11:33 AM	#44 (permalink)
digitali16 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 519	Kedoba glad to hear that you got things straightened out on your end. I am not saying anything derogatory but our sites are not the same. I don't need a license from Hans because he will not get a license to claim our work. Example: Kedoba try and change your password on an account and watch how it does NOT work. There is a flaw in the code where 2 different encryption techniques are referenced one is MD5 and the other is Sha1 You know why errors like this come up often? Because someone takes open source code from different places and packs it all together and sells it to guys for their hard earned money. When our site is back online you will see that we had to rewrite that ENTIRE feature. Now if anyone wants to pay him whatever for his buggy frankenstein code that is your money and you are free to do it. I want have my brother and myself sitting up hours on end for months on end redoing something to only say it belongs to someone who got sleep last night. 1. I never received one Email from hans nor PM nor phone message. 2. Hans has never attempted to provide us with any unique data structures and or algorithms specific to the onarcade v1.0 script. You can't have a license on intelectual property if you can't show this. How much is our time worth and how much did we lose yesterday working on this. We don't just run arcades and this takes away from other stuff we do. I had to cancel a recording session the other day and it lost us $120 + the revenue of the Gubug site. Also other sites we could have worked on and our game was setback. Not to mention every traffic trading partner we had got nothing from us yesterday and that effects their revenue some. Now I said 90% recoded because MYSQL is mysql and php is php. You create something with basic functions all of which built into your programming language and I ask you where is your INTELECTUAL PROPERTY? Jpeg can show their data scheme and that is there property and Dolby digital Noise reduction can do the same. Hans has not come forward with one (1) piece of unique code to say this was his work. Anyone can string together some opensource and write referrences of onarcade all over it. BTW I saw not 1 reference to his script and if he got stuff from open source and another guy done the same of course the scripts will look similar on the surface. They will even share some exact wording & placement & bugs. Bottom line is there is NOTHING unique to onarcade in the coding of our site at this point. Therefore I don't see a reason to seek a license from Hans who has proved NOTHING. He only cost me more than $70 yesterday and I have our code that simply is not in any way constructed by him to back what I say up. I already gave away TONS of information in this thread to potential designers and webmasters. I proved that I paid for the script and we rewrote almost all of it now except basic functions built into the scripting language. I filled a counter complaint with hostgator and this will be resolved over there now if Hans wants to push this anymore then we have OUR UNIQUE CODE and experience and I stand by it. __________________ Fun Online Games \| Sonic and Mario Games \| Trade arcade traffic 1:1 Our New Arcade script is coming to the market soon!

06-17-2008, 11:49 AM	#45 (permalink)
digitali16 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 519	You know after looking at those examples from leannewbie does anyone see my point. BTW that site was licensed as Game Site Script so now maybe Hans should pay those guys for his use of their version 1 code. Pirated software has the same unique code and can be proven easy. Hans most likely did not write much of version 1.0 at all and if so then why has he not pointed out one (1) unique piece of code. Also again look at that GSS site on sitepoint because it illustrates what I am saying. __________________ Fun Online Games \| Sonic and Mario Games \| Trade arcade traffic 1:1 Our New Arcade script is coming to the market soon!

06-17-2008, 12:48 PM	#47 (permalink)
digitali16 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 519	Hey dude before you twist my words to much let me point something out. 1. Even in your quote I said to Kedoba " our sites are not the same " 2. In your other quote I said " we were ORIGINALLY using the same script as Kedoba and that is not the case anymore and again I have the code to back this up. You keep coming in here with plays on words and acusations that are not true when all you have to do is prove you coded something with one (1) original unique piece of code. 3. So while you were coding all this stuff from scratch in version 1 you got a vision of an admin panel that looks EXACTLY like the admin login on GSS version 1? Now explain that to everyone Mr Coder. I could go on for days explaining everything we put into OUR script but I don't have to because I have Unique code that speaks for itself. __________________ Fun Online Games \| Sonic and Mario Games \| Trade arcade traffic 1:1 Our New Arcade script is coming to the market soon!

06-17-2008, 12:56 PM	#48 (permalink)
dWhite Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: United States Posts: 916	5 full pages of this thread, and I just read each and every one of them and reviewed them carefully. You have my 100% full support on this situation Digitali. I've taken the time awhile ago to compare GuBug, and I can tell that 90%+ of the code was rewritten and is sole property of you and your brother (was it your brother?). For Hans to demand you pay for license so he can say that he owns the code, is a DMCA report against him for copyright infringement. According to that, if he is in fact using opensource code, that is another count of copyright infringement. That makes 2 counts against him, which in court can be a hefty fine. __________________ Webmaster Forum \| Business Blog

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