hitsfree political thread - Page 2

digitali16 · 08-20-2008, 12:00 AM

I hear there is a neat little GOVERNMENT grant called the Pale grant that helped an under privileged genius or two attend college. There is an example or would it be better that the brighter people at least by conventional measures not attend institutions of higher learning and leave that sort of thing to the children of the financially well endowed regardless of that child ( Young adult's ) aptitude for learning. Solid I don't entirely disagree with your opinion of some of the pork going on in government from both parties. I just think When we live in a country of 200,000,000+ and guys who understand life so much say" I never met one blah blah " it is funny to me.

LOL come on man what percentage of the population have you met personally and interacted with enough to validate that statement?
20,000 = 0.01% and it takes almost 11 years straight of making 5 new personal contacts each day to reach 100Th of 1 percent of our population or another way it would take you 1,100 years just to meet 1%. I try to understand that the world and all the variables might be a lil tiny bit bigger than my personal experience will allow me to see. I dont put people in boxes and someday I will meet someone not on this earth and almost certainly NOT on this forum who can tell me if I understand life LOL.

BTW I also agree solidly with solid about political content on an arcade webmasters forum. There are plenty of places to discus such matters but all of the discussion does not really matter what counts is our votes.

Gamehopper · 08-20-2008, 12:33 AM

Ok Digitali I will tell you.I am 40 Years old. I have been to every major city in the US more than five times. The venues I have worked have been all types of trade shows in which thousands upon thousand of people attend. I have worked all types of trade shows, so I have seen all types of people. I have been doing this since I was 14 and started working. I have seen, met, shook hands, and talked to at least 2000 people each work day of my life.

So by my calculations I have interacted with a minimum of about 10,000,000 people in my lifetime. That a fairly good cross section for you?

Arcades are play time. I have a real life and a real business. Part of the fun I have playing with arcades, is trying to make due with what each arcade can do on its own. Each time I have a success I am driven to make another one. Just like I do in the rest of my life.

I am an 8th grade dropout, uneducated runaway,I grew up on welfare, in a part of town that most people wont even go to. When I ran away I lived in abandoned houses and slept under a few bridges.I never once blamed society for my problems or ever once took ANY handout in my adult life. I faced my problems head one and won.

So considering I am not the brightest, not the best looking, and I dont come from a "good" family environment. By all standards I should be a welfare loving failure because life has dealt me the short end of it?

I stand by my statement. I have NEVER known one liberal (notice I did not use the term democrat?) that had a clue. Not all democrats are liberals, some are just uninformed or just vote with their parents.

You have to be able to look deep enough into the way everything works to understand that democrat candidates are not your friends they are politicians. So like I said before I am betting most people will be voting against one candidate rather than for one.

Gamehopper · 08-20-2008, 12:57 AM

Here is some info on your "Succesful government program"

The situation of those working their way through school has continued to get harder. College costs have skyrocketed. Low-income wages have stagnated. So have federal financial aid programs aimed at low-income students in 1980, the maximum Pell Grant covered 77% of the average cost of attending a public institution It now covers just 33% In December 2005, the Bush administration made the situation far worse by cutting $12.7 billion in Federal financial aid. They reduced Pell Grants, cut successful low-income support projects like some of the Trio programs, and enacted major cuts in student loan subsidies, which will leave students paying far higher interest rates for years.

My point is anything put in the hands of politicians will get messed up. So the Pell Grant fails to pay for any substantial amount of education anymore...hence it is a failure.

I can do this all day.

digitali16 · 08-20-2008, 06:29 AM

Sorry David you had a hard life so did many of us ( get the chip off your shoulder dude ). Meeting 2000 people a trade show venue is not interacting dude. I attended boys state my senior year in highschool and met thousands of guys run in to some of them now and can't remember their names. Do you seriously think you have evaluated 10,000,000+ people in your life time starting at 14 years old LOL. Now what did you really know at 14 years old to evaluate those people? Come on man you had a hard life and I have also. So what I see something I want then I bust my butt to get it. You say arcades aren't a real job( that is your limited view ). Tell that to booty and stumpy they make more than 6 figures a year in this niche. Tell it to the guys who made second life they make 1 Million dollars a day. Dude you think you seen so much maybe you seen alot but you put all we seen together and it still is next to nothing. We both got drive dude and both came up hard but I don't want everyone to see what I have seen and go through what I been through. Thank God I am where I am and if I can help someone avoid one ounce of weight I carry sometimes Good. Take the chip off dude everyone aint you and everyone aint me nor are they people you met in passing that you apparently have a low valuation of.

The world is not binary 0s and 1s there are more variables than you and I can imagine. Say one person goes to school with the help of that grant and discovers cures for cancer ( is it a failure ). Should your business only defray part of your mortgage note then it is a failure LOL ( cause what it would be better to just pay the entire thing and close your business LOL ). All or nothing was a great pop song by some boy band but you cant judge a program that has existed for 36 years and helped 30,000,000+ get higher learning by those standards. Hell everything is a failure by those standards. Are there problems sure I will give you that education might be inflated combined with under funding. When less guys make it to higher institutions demand is down and price goes up so who am I to say. Point is there is more than meets the eye before you say Failure. My docter was an undergrad on a pell grant and done an operation that saved some of my sight for me 5 years ago. So man I am Damn glad for that failure because he could not have afforded to attend without some assistance.

Look I am not trying to be funny or anything but it is the current administration that cut grants for education. This is by your own admission and the grant was established in 1972. Honestly prices for everything has went up since then just look at basic things like beef,corn,milk,eggs,telephone call on a pay phone,stamps and not to mention gas. See if the numbers and funding provided don't correlate in growth then you will have a spread in the numbers anyway. Now I am not trying to defend the guys in office just trying to point out that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. The world is big and full of more variable than you or I can see with a glance and it is sad when guys sit and pronounce success and failure. Man we are complex beast with many variables and you cant break things down as simple as you just did like they are a zero sum game. Life is not a zero sum game and educating one person is not a failure because in life what you don't know you pay for. The beauty of the information age is if you want you can learn almost anything online. Knowledge will always be power and anything that HELPS fund that for the less fortunate is not a failure in my opinion.

Gamehopper · 08-20-2008, 09:31 AM

Just like every liberal I know you take things way to serious, and blow things way out of proportion. You act like because I had a hard life I should be mad at the world like you. I am not, I saw this as an opportunity, not a hardship. Maybe everyone should be forced into total hardship at one point in their lives to give people perspective about what you really need in life. You need food, you need water, you need to stay out of extreme weather. End of discussion. You can survive without anything else.

I will end my argument here and stop posting in this thread because I am not here to argue politics with you.

First I said that arcades are playtime for me, i did not include you, or booty, or stumpy in that statement. I take it more serious than most people on this board, but still if the internet where to disappear tomorrow my life would go on.

Second, I have personally INTERACTED with at least 2000 people every work day of my life. Not knowing what I do or how I do it, leaves you at a loss in the argument.

And lastly if you going to argue with me get your facts straight, The Pell Grant was established in 1965, by a democrat Lyndon Johnson, as part ot The Great Society. It was flawed from the beginning and many people who have no need of this grant can obtain it with no problem. It was not supposed to be a forever thing. In fact it has been on the table for expiration more than 6 times, and each time our lovely government keeps passing this junk.

You dont really think any one could get an education before this do you? Point being, that and most other government interference, breeds lowlifes who do not want to do what it takes to make it on their own.

In my first post... are you a wolf? or like most a caribou? The wolves get the free grant knowing they have no need of it, because someone wanted to protect the poor caribou who could not afford school. Life is not fair, It was never meant to be.

I have no chip on my shoulder for you...
I have stated clearly I am not a democrat or a republican,
Just trying to show in my previous examples that Government in its present form is not your friend, If you believe it is, and voting in some more handouts is going to be peachy. Go ahead and believe that. I really dont care...

Transmission end....

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hitsfree · 08-20-2008, 02:44 PM

Obama doesn't help his brother.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-in-Kenya.html

Obama doesn't share his own money with blood relatives.

He wants to tax and share your money!

digitali16 · 08-20-2008, 03:26 PM

Dude sorry I rubbed you the wrong way. Really in alot of ways we are very much alike. I taught myself IM and financial trading over 10 years and my brother taught himself to program in 5 different languages. Neither of us are afraid to work man but yes we have gotten the evil grants. I don't believe anyone accomplishes anything completely on their on because no man is an island onto himself.I came from a family of modest means and I don't deny there are people who take advantage of every system Government or not. I got a record deal in 1994. Radio stations were taking payola to play songs and sometimes it is not even money instead it is trips to exotic places for a conferance held by the major record companies. Same thing still happens today in big pharma because I have a close relationship with a Christian docter who tell s me so first hand. Again not Government it is everywhere.

I don't take things to serious ( who can judge that really ). I am not really even a liberal by most real liberal peoples standards. I really meant no offense man it is just you seem to think you got more figured out from your life experience than anyone else on the planet. I appreciate everyones candor and have no problem with differences of opinion. Yeah I take the internet more serious because I have in the past made substantial income off of working things online. I respect what everyone does for a living even lawyers LOL.

Again Dude my bad cause I am not trying to get personal just saying maybe programs you denounced might have helped some people who were not in the 2,000,000 that you have evaluated. You did not need them to succeed fine and some guys did not need phones or cars either at one point in time. We adjust because we are humans created in Gods image but we all need each other. Dude once more I am really sorry and not trying to be personal at all you are right I don't know you and don't judge you either. I would just appreciate it if you left me out of your little liberal box dude and pay me the courtesy I pay you because I don't think you met anyone like me in your life considering I am the only me there is.

digitali16 · 08-20-2008, 03:29 PM

hitsfree is someone paying you man SERIOUSLY LOL are they? I just notice that you rarely even talk about anything related to arcade webmastering and don't even plug a single site in your sig. Really dude I am just curious as to why you really come to this forum because it is called talk arcades after all.

Gamehopper · 08-20-2008, 04:47 PM

Dont worry Alfred, I make a point of never taking politics personal. I dont get offended by someone elses views, but if I believe they are the wrong views, and it is going to affect my life, I speak out. If I can change your mind, great, if not, my life will remain the same. In fact there is only one thing that I get angry about, and it happened to me today from someone on this board. Rather than arguing with that person, I choose never to speak to them again. So as long as you and I are chatting, I am smiling

I never get mad during a political discussion. It would be pointless. No one listens to you when you're namecalling.

hitsfree · 08-20-2008, 05:03 PM

Well this is The Lounge forum, but I post elsewhere.

Edwards cover-up cost Clinton the nomination?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5553013

08-20-2008, 12:00 AM	#11 (permalink)
digitali16 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 502	I hear there is a neat little GOVERNMENT grant called the Pale grant that helped an under privileged genius or two attend college. There is an example or would it be better that the brighter people at least by conventional measures not attend institutions of higher learning and leave that sort of thing to the children of the financially well endowed regardless of that child ( Young adult's ) aptitude for learning. Solid I don't entirely disagree with your opinion of some of the pork going on in government from both parties. I just think When we live in a country of 200,000,000+ and guys who understand life so much say" I never met one blah blah " it is funny to me. LOL come on man what percentage of the population have you met personally and interacted with enough to validate that statement? 20,000 = 0.01% and it takes almost 11 years straight of making 5 new personal contacts each day to reach 100Th of 1 percent of our population or another way it would take you 1,100 years just to meet 1%. I try to understand that the world and all the variables might be a lil tiny bit bigger than my personal experience will allow me to see. I dont put people in boxes and someday I will meet someone not on this earth and almost certainly NOT on this forum who can tell me if I understand life LOL. BTW I also agree solidly with solid about political content on an arcade webmasters forum. There are plenty of places to discus such matters but all of the discussion does not really matter what counts is our votes. __________________ Fun Online Games \| Sonic and Mario Games \| Trade arcade traffic 1:1 Our New Arcade script is coming to the market soon!

08-20-2008, 12:33 AM	#12 (permalink)
Gamehopper Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 350	Ok Digitali I will tell you.I am 40 Years old. I have been to every major city in the US more than five times. The venues I have worked have been all types of trade shows in which thousands upon thousand of people attend. I have worked all types of trade shows, so I have seen all types of people. I have been doing this since I was 14 and started working. I have seen, met, shook hands, and talked to at least 2000 people each work day of my life. So by my calculations I have interacted with a minimum of about 10,000,000 people in my lifetime. That a fairly good cross section for you? Arcades are play time. I have a real life and a real business. Part of the fun I have playing with arcades, is trying to make due with what each arcade can do on its own. Each time I have a success I am driven to make another one. Just like I do in the rest of my life. I am an 8th grade dropout, uneducated runaway,I grew up on welfare, in a part of town that most people wont even go to. When I ran away I lived in abandoned houses and slept under a few bridges.I never once blamed society for my problems or ever once took ANY handout in my adult life. I faced my problems head one and won. So considering I am not the brightest, not the best looking, and I dont come from a "good" family environment. By all standards I should be a welfare loving failure because life has dealt me the short end of it? I stand by my statement. I have NEVER known one liberal (notice I did not use the term democrat?) that had a clue. Not all democrats are liberals, some are just uninformed or just vote with their parents. You have to be able to look deep enough into the way everything works to understand that democrat candidates are not your friends they are politicians. So like I said before I am betting most people will be voting against one candidate rather than for one. __________________ Play Online Games Sniper Games and Scary Games Trade Traffic with GameHopper

08-20-2008, 12:57 AM	#13 (permalink)
Gamehopper Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 350	Here is some info on your "Succesful government program" The situation of those working their way through school has continued to get harder. College costs have skyrocketed. Low-income wages have stagnated. So have federal financial aid programs aimed at low-income students in 1980, the maximum Pell Grant covered 77% of the average cost of attending a public institution It now covers just 33% In December 2005, the Bush administration made the situation far worse by cutting $12.7 billion in Federal financial aid. They reduced Pell Grants, cut successful low-income support projects like some of the Trio programs, and enacted major cuts in student loan subsidies, which will leave students paying far higher interest rates for years. My point is anything put in the hands of politicians will get messed up. So the Pell Grant fails to pay for any substantial amount of education anymore...hence it is a failure. I can do this all day. __________________ Play Online Games Sniper Games and Scary Games Trade Traffic with GameHopper

08-20-2008, 06:29 AM	#14 (permalink)
digitali16 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 502	Sorry David you had a hard life so did many of us ( get the chip off your shoulder dude ). Meeting 2000 people a trade show venue is not interacting dude. I attended boys state my senior year in highschool and met thousands of guys run in to some of them now and can't remember their names. Do you seriously think you have evaluated 10,000,000+ people in your life time starting at 14 years old LOL. Now what did you really know at 14 years old to evaluate those people? Come on man you had a hard life and I have also. So what I see something I want then I bust my butt to get it. You say arcades aren't a real job( that is your limited view ). Tell that to booty and stumpy they make more than 6 figures a year in this niche. Tell it to the guys who made second life they make 1 Million dollars a day. Dude you think you seen so much maybe you seen alot but you put all we seen together and it still is next to nothing. We both got drive dude and both came up hard but I don't want everyone to see what I have seen and go through what I been through. Thank God I am where I am and if I can help someone avoid one ounce of weight I carry sometimes Good. Take the chip off dude everyone aint you and everyone aint me nor are they people you met in passing that you apparently have a low valuation of. The world is not binary 0s and 1s there are more variables than you and I can imagine. Say one person goes to school with the help of that grant and discovers cures for cancer ( is it a failure ). Should your business only defray part of your mortgage note then it is a failure LOL ( cause what it would be better to just pay the entire thing and close your business LOL ). All or nothing was a great pop song by some boy band but you cant judge a program that has existed for 36 years and helped 30,000,000+ get higher learning by those standards. Hell everything is a failure by those standards. Are there problems sure I will give you that education might be inflated combined with under funding. When less guys make it to higher institutions demand is down and price goes up so who am I to say. Point is there is more than meets the eye before you say Failure. My docter was an undergrad on a pell grant and done an operation that saved some of my sight for me 5 years ago. So man I am Damn glad for that failure because he could not have afforded to attend without some assistance. Look I am not trying to be funny or anything but it is the current administration that cut grants for education. This is by your own admission and the grant was established in 1972. Honestly prices for everything has went up since then just look at basic things like beef,corn,milk,eggs,telephone call on a pay phone,stamps and not to mention gas. See if the numbers and funding provided don't correlate in growth then you will have a spread in the numbers anyway. Now I am not trying to defend the guys in office just trying to point out that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. The world is big and full of more variable than you or I can see with a glance and it is sad when guys sit and pronounce success and failure. Man we are complex beast with many variables and you cant break things down as simple as you just did like they are a zero sum game. Life is not a zero sum game and educating one person is not a failure because in life what you don't know you pay for. The beauty of the information age is if you want you can learn almost anything online. Knowledge will always be power and anything that HELPS fund that for the less fortunate is not a failure in my opinion. __________________ Fun Online Games \| Sonic and Mario Games \| Trade arcade traffic 1:1 Our New Arcade script is coming to the market soon!

08-20-2008, 09:31 AM	#15 (permalink)
Gamehopper Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 350	Just like every liberal I know you take things way to serious, and blow things way out of proportion. You act like because I had a hard life I should be mad at the world like you. I am not, I saw this as an opportunity, not a hardship. Maybe everyone should be forced into total hardship at one point in their lives to give people perspective about what you really need in life. You need food, you need water, you need to stay out of extreme weather. End of discussion. You can survive without anything else. I will end my argument here and stop posting in this thread because I am not here to argue politics with you. First I said that arcades are playtime for me, i did not include you, or booty, or stumpy in that statement. I take it more serious than most people on this board, but still if the internet where to disappear tomorrow my life would go on. Second, I have personally INTERACTED with at least 2000 people every work day of my life. Not knowing what I do or how I do it, leaves you at a loss in the argument. And lastly if you going to argue with me get your facts straight, The Pell Grant was established in 1965, by a democrat Lyndon Johnson, as part ot The Great Society. It was flawed from the beginning and many people who have no need of this grant can obtain it with no problem. It was not supposed to be a forever thing. In fact it has been on the table for expiration more than 6 times, and each time our lovely government keeps passing this junk. You dont really think any one could get an education before this do you? Point being, that and most other government interference, breeds lowlifes who do not want to do what it takes to make it on their own. In my first post... are you a wolf? or like most a caribou? The wolves get the free grant knowing they have no need of it, because someone wanted to protect the poor caribou who could not afford school. Life is not fair, It was never meant to be. I have no chip on my shoulder for you... I have stated clearly I am not a democrat or a republican, Just trying to show in my previous examples that Government in its present form is not your friend, If you believe it is, and voting in some more handouts is going to be peachy. Go ahead and believe that. I really dont care... Transmission end.... ...Static... __________________ Play Online Games Sniper Games and Scary Games Trade Traffic with GameHopper

08-20-2008, 02:44 PM	#16 (permalink)
hitsfree Cranky Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 533	Obama doesn't help his brother. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-in-Kenya.html Obama doesn't share his own money with blood relatives. He wants to tax and share your money! __________________ 100% accuracy and nothing less!

08-20-2008, 03:26 PM	#17 (permalink)
digitali16 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 502	Dude sorry I rubbed you the wrong way. Really in alot of ways we are very much alike. I taught myself IM and financial trading over 10 years and my brother taught himself to program in 5 different languages. Neither of us are afraid to work man but yes we have gotten the evil grants. I don't believe anyone accomplishes anything completely on their on because no man is an island onto himself.I came from a family of modest means and I don't deny there are people who take advantage of every system Government or not. I got a record deal in 1994. Radio stations were taking payola to play songs and sometimes it is not even money instead it is trips to exotic places for a conferance held by the major record companies. Same thing still happens today in big pharma because I have a close relationship with a Christian docter who tell s me so first hand. Again not Government it is everywhere. I don't take things to serious ( who can judge that really ). I am not really even a liberal by most real liberal peoples standards. I really meant no offense man it is just you seem to think you got more figured out from your life experience than anyone else on the planet. I appreciate everyones candor and have no problem with differences of opinion. Yeah I take the internet more serious because I have in the past made substantial income off of working things online. I respect what everyone does for a living even lawyers LOL. Again Dude my bad cause I am not trying to get personal just saying maybe programs you denounced might have helped some people who were not in the 2,000,000 that you have evaluated. You did not need them to succeed fine and some guys did not need phones or cars either at one point in time. We adjust because we are humans created in Gods image but we all need each other. Dude once more I am really sorry and not trying to be personal at all you are right I don't know you and don't judge you either. I would just appreciate it if you left me out of your little liberal box dude and pay me the courtesy I pay you because I don't think you met anyone like me in your life considering I am the only me there is. __________________ Fun Online Games \| Sonic and Mario Games \| Trade arcade traffic 1:1 Our New Arcade script is coming to the market soon!

08-20-2008, 03:29 PM	#18 (permalink)
digitali16 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 502	hitsfree is someone paying you man SERIOUSLY LOL are they? I just notice that you rarely even talk about anything related to arcade webmastering and don't even plug a single site in your sig. Really dude I am just curious as to why you really come to this forum because it is called talk arcades after all. __________________ Fun Online Games \| Sonic and Mario Games \| Trade arcade traffic 1:1 Our New Arcade script is coming to the market soon!

08-20-2008, 04:47 PM	#19 (permalink)
Gamehopper Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 350	Dont worry Alfred, I make a point of never taking politics personal. I dont get offended by someone elses views, but if I believe they are the wrong views, and it is going to affect my life, I speak out. If I can change your mind, great, if not, my life will remain the same. In fact there is only one thing that I get angry about, and it happened to me today from someone on this board. Rather than arguing with that person, I choose never to speak to them again. So as long as you and I are chatting, I am smiling I never get mad during a political discussion. It would be pointless. No one listens to you when you're namecalling. __________________ Play Online Games Sniper Games and Scary Games Trade Traffic with GameHopper

08-20-2008, 05:03 PM	#20 (permalink)
hitsfree Cranky Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 533	Well this is The Lounge forum, but I post elsewhere. Edwards cover-up cost Clinton the nomination? http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5553013 __________________ 100% accuracy and nothing less!

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