Mr. Obama has visited 57 States in the USA - Page 2

gamesvine · 05-30-2008, 01:33 PM

If you're gonna go after Obama's pastor you might as well go after McCain's pastor Hagee:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od-Gx6JmnoU

He also said God sent Hitler to exterminate the Jews:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErC1IJeHnyc

Is Obama's pastor worse than that?

Look, I'm not gonna change your opinion on here. I just hate bashing Obama for made up reasons like who his pastor is and whether he wears a flag pin or not. Do you wear a flag pin daily? Do you think a man who has gotten this far in a presidential election could possibly ever be considered unpatriotic? It's absurd.

Just look at the man you're voting for. McCain is a good man but I believe it's more of the same as Bush. Obama is a great man and I think he represents the change that America needs.

Gamehopper · 05-30-2008, 01:42 PM

Why would I vote for anyone who would raise my taxes more? Bush is bad enough and my taxes went down. I can no longer figure out who to vote for, because from a financial point of view, both parties "feed the need" of there voters an implement bad programs that waste money. Government should be accountable for all its expenses just like my business is.

Obama has promised to end these tax cuts so from the figures below (verified at snopes) You will be paying more, more government, more goverment control. Just give it all to the government and they will decide how much you can have back. Sounds good huh? I can never agree with socialism.
So how about this, I will take 50% of your arcade traffic you worked so hard to get, and distribute it amongst the more needy smaller arcades (though they haven't updated in 4 months), still sound good. What are you people thinking?

Taxes under CLINTON 1999 Taxes under BUSH 2008

Single making 30K - tax $3,157.50 Single making 30K - tax $2,756.25
Single making 50K - tax $7,262.50 Single making 50K - tax $6,606.25
Single making 75K - tax $14,262.50 Single making 75K - tax $12,856.25
Married making 60K - tax $6,585.00 Married making 60K - tax $5,512.50
Married making 75K - tax $9,426.50 Married making 75K - tax $7,762.50
Married making 125K - tax $23,426.50 Married making 125K - tax $19,462.50

digitali16 · 05-30-2008, 02:27 PM

LOL Wow it worked and you actually proved my point even more.
EURO USD
Jan09 2007
3 week Trading Range: $1.28 - $1.30
And that was less than 1 year and 6 Months ago

Feb 8 Range: 1.44 - 1.45
That was just 3 months ago

Now your numbers:
1 Euro = $ 1.5529 may 30 2008
Get it? The Value of the Dollar is moving down at an accelerated rate. You see how you thought it was YEARS ago. I used this currency because it is an infant currency in 1996 A Euro did not even exist LOL. Now it out values our dollar more than 50 cents and this is what EXPERIENCED guys done for us.

Let me share what I learned about corp america here. ANYONE who can keep a job will eventually have experience. That does not mean they are efficient at what they do at the job.Only results of their actions can tell you if they know what they are doing. Google did not even exist in 1997 yet they are at the top of the food chain now. Why? because they are efficient and that is what matters to me. I can go down a list of this administration and dare you to show me someone YOUNG with little experience. So if that is what McCain is selling I aint buying. Do you see how I posted bad numbers and you fixed it even pointing out my point further? We need guys with good minds that can strategize and create situations conducive to thinking instead of planting false stories and taking actions based on their EGO. Note how this thread was about race and ministers now we are talking about the economy and recession. I think that type of meaty discussion is what we need not more of the same because numbers don't lie so I just don't think I can afford anymore EXPERIENCED leadership.

All we have to do is get guys talking about what matters instead of clips and if a simpleton like me can do it then I am sure someone in Washington can but we need less politics and more honesty. That is why so many guys are just giving up today completely and I might not be here long but I care about the people I leave behind as I am sure we all do so consider all the factors. Ok a guy has more experience looks good but go deeper and find out what he has done in his experience of serving the public?

hitsfree · 05-30-2008, 02:46 PM

Obama represents bad news for Arcade Owners.
He's the one candidate that said he will raise Taxes immediately.
That will affect all arcade owners worldwide.
Why? because the first to get taxed will be Google, Yahoo, HostGator,
HostMonster, ValueClick, MSN, AOL etc.
And they will pass this tax down into higher hosting fees, IP service
and lower payouts to all affiliates. It just follows he's the worst candidate
for small businesses, the middle class and the poor.

The reason 93% of blacks vote for him is because of his
skin shade. Is this not some form of racism to vote for someone
regardless of their qualifications?

digitali16 · 05-30-2008, 02:51 PM

Well if Bush cut taxes where did he get the money? Cause the money has to come from somewhere. I think the numbers show about a 3% difference and that is a point however. I cant just vote based on saving money in taxes if my money is tanking. Majority of the budget is not even spent domestically. Your 50% of the arcade traffic was a great analogy however. Would you invest 5% in my site if I were updating it and working on more traffic? what if I could someday return your investment 2 - 3X? In your example Government is taking half of everything and handing it away to guys doing absolutely nothing. Less Gov is in order and I am all for that. We are in a bad situation now because guys want to print money and No one wants to ask where it comes from and how we pay it back. Every one wants a good arcade but it cost and I pay in work and money and learning more everyday. Everything has some cost so where are the Bush tax cuts coming from ( hint see my Euro post above ). The big lie some guys feed us is that we give it all away to the poor guys sitting around doing nothing. RickyG atleast now you can get that popcorn started and David you bought some great numbers to the table and I think we should look closely at what these guys will cost because consumer confidence is low. There are alot of variables and everything needs to be plugged in to get the big picture.

digitali16 · 05-30-2008, 02:59 PM

LOL I will vote for him because I need change and I believe at this point he represents change. I am black and could care less about his skin color and I never voted for Jesse Jackson hitsfree. Yes I do agree some black people are racist and infact I can't think of any one race who does not have some form of racism. My point is that we need to get beyond that and move on to the real issues.

Gamehopper · 05-30-2008, 03:17 PM

I was in line at a convenience store the other day, the lady in line in front of me, obviously not a woman of means, was discussing her tax rebate check.
She was complaining it was not enough!
I almost told her off. That money has to come from somewhere, so someone worked hard to get it. She got it for free!
Now in theory the tax rebate check is supposed to stimulate the economy. I would like to find a candidate that actually CUT taxes. Leave the rebates to the cell phone stores.

So the short answer Alfred is that Bush never cut taxes, he just overcharged you then made you feel good by giving some back. Our government is so large it will soon swallow itself.
I feel like it's just a popularity contest among all these candidates, and maybe it has always been that way. But with the majority of the press releases bordering on absurd findings of pastors, and lapel pins, people will never really get down to what these candidates really stand for.
I feel like this year its lose,lose, all the way around. I will vote for McCain out of resignation, not out of inspiration.
I really think about half of all government programs need to be thrown in the trash, and most of all welfare programs need to be abolished. Anyone ever stop to think about pre-welfare? Gee how did those people make it? We have now and will always have a lower income class population, and it is funny how historically conservatives have helped lower incomes and minorities more than liberals, and yet the majority of the minority vote goes to the party that cares the least.

AS for the big lie some feed you and your giving it all away to the poor? Thats no lie, I come from poverty. My mother sent each of us seven children to the store one at a time with a 1 dollar food stamp (yeah I am old) and we bought a soda for 15cents and brought back the change so she could buy beer and cigarettes with it. Do you think for one second that behavior is not going on now? I get harrased at the grocery store to buy someones food stamp card about twice a month. Screw welfare... we don't need it, and we never have.
The point I am trying to make is, this is about way more than pastors and lapel pins. It's is not about black, white or male/female, I really don't care about those things. I want to know my countries future is actually in good hands. I fear it is not.

gamesvine · 05-30-2008, 04:00 PM

And for you guys all about tax cuts, don't you see where that's led? Do you have any understanding of why your inflation is so high or why your dollar is worth so much less than it used to or why your economy is in the crapper?

You're funding a war by printing more money, not by making more money. This makes every dollar you own worth less. This is the hidden tax in the bush administration. You may be keeping more money but your money is worth less and less. This is called inflation and is one of the reasons your gas costs are getting worse and worse and food costs more and more. China could bankrupt your country in an instant by releasing the trillion dollars they have of us currency sitting in a bank.

This is what Bush has done for you, doubled your country's debt in 8 years and you're happy cause it looks like you saved a thousand dollars when in fact he's put every man woman and child in even more debt. You've got to look at the big picture, wake up!

Obama wants to fix this broken system and has far better ideas about how to fix it than John McCain.

gamesvine · 05-30-2008, 04:04 PM

hitsfree, I'm not gonna even bother. You're convinced Obama is a white hating bigot who will put all white people into slavery. Paranoid much? You're the one who's eating Fox News' BS. Have you even listened to his speech on Race relations?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf0x_TpDris

I challenge you to watch that video and come back here and spew that hate speech.

Probably the most inspirational speech I've ever heard and I'm white.

hitsfree · 05-30-2008, 06:01 PM

Gamesvine - I notice your posts are factually incorrect
and bash president Bush. But this thread is about Obama
and we don't need to hear the lame bush bashing.

Start a new thread if you must bash bush.

And why does your color matter?

Try to post facts that can backed up and then
maybe we can dialogue.

05-30-2008, 01:33 PM	#11 (permalink)
gamesvine Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 24	If you're gonna go after Obama's pastor you might as well go after McCain's pastor Hagee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od-Gx6JmnoU He also said God sent Hitler to exterminate the Jews: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErC1IJeHnyc Is Obama's pastor worse than that? Look, I'm not gonna change your opinion on here. I just hate bashing Obama for made up reasons like who his pastor is and whether he wears a flag pin or not. Do you wear a flag pin daily? Do you think a man who has gotten this far in a presidential election could possibly ever be considered unpatriotic? It's absurd. Just look at the man you're voting for. McCain is a good man but I believe it's more of the same as Bush. Obama is a great man and I think he represents the change that America needs. __________________ Nick www.gamesvine.com Sign-up for a site-wide PR-4 link exchange here: http://www.gamesvine.com/webmasters

05-30-2008, 01:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
Gamehopper Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 379	Why would I vote for anyone who would raise my taxes more? Bush is bad enough and my taxes went down. I can no longer figure out who to vote for, because from a financial point of view, both parties "feed the need" of there voters an implement bad programs that waste money. Government should be accountable for all its expenses just like my business is. Obama has promised to end these tax cuts so from the figures below (verified at snopes) You will be paying more, more government, more goverment control. Just give it all to the government and they will decide how much you can have back. Sounds good huh? I can never agree with socialism. So how about this, I will take 50% of your arcade traffic you worked so hard to get, and distribute it amongst the more needy smaller arcades (though they haven't updated in 4 months), still sound good. What are you people thinking? Taxes under CLINTON 1999 Taxes under BUSH 2008 Single making 30K - tax $3,157.50 Single making 30K - tax $2,756.25 Single making 50K - tax $7,262.50 Single making 50K - tax $6,606.25 Single making 75K - tax $14,262.50 Single making 75K - tax $12,856.25 Married making 60K - tax $6,585.00 Married making 60K - tax $5,512.50 Married making 75K - tax $9,426.50 Married making 75K - tax $7,762.50 Married making 125K - tax $23,426.50 Married making 125K - tax $19,462.50 __________________ Play Online Games Sniper Games and Scary Games Trade Traffic with GameHopper

05-30-2008, 02:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
digitali16 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 519	LOL Wow it worked and you actually proved my point even more. EURO USD Jan09 2007 3 week Trading Range: $1.28 - $1.30 And that was less than 1 year and 6 Months ago Feb 8 Range: 1.44 - 1.45 That was just 3 months ago Now your numbers: 1 Euro = $ 1.5529 may 30 2008 Get it? The Value of the Dollar is moving down at an accelerated rate. You see how you thought it was YEARS ago. I used this currency because it is an infant currency in 1996 A Euro did not even exist LOL. Now it out values our dollar more than 50 cents and this is what EXPERIENCED guys done for us. Let me share what I learned about corp america here. ANYONE who can keep a job will eventually have experience. That does not mean they are efficient at what they do at the job.Only results of their actions can tell you if they know what they are doing. Google did not even exist in 1997 yet they are at the top of the food chain now. Why? because they are efficient and that is what matters to me. I can go down a list of this administration and dare you to show me someone YOUNG with little experience. So if that is what McCain is selling I aint buying. Do you see how I posted bad numbers and you fixed it even pointing out my point further? We need guys with good minds that can strategize and create situations conducive to thinking instead of planting false stories and taking actions based on their EGO. Note how this thread was about race and ministers now we are talking about the economy and recession. I think that type of meaty discussion is what we need not more of the same because numbers don't lie so I just don't think I can afford anymore EXPERIENCED leadership. All we have to do is get guys talking about what matters instead of clips and if a simpleton like me can do it then I am sure someone in Washington can but we need less politics and more honesty. That is why so many guys are just giving up today completely and I might not be here long but I care about the people I leave behind as I am sure we all do so consider all the factors. Ok a guy has more experience looks good but go deeper and find out what he has done in his experience of serving the public? __________________ Fun Online Games \| Sonic and Mario Games \| Trade arcade traffic 1:1 Our New Arcade script is coming to the market soon!

05-30-2008, 02:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
digitali16 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 519	Well if Bush cut taxes where did he get the money? Cause the money has to come from somewhere. I think the numbers show about a 3% difference and that is a point however. I cant just vote based on saving money in taxes if my money is tanking. Majority of the budget is not even spent domestically. Your 50% of the arcade traffic was a great analogy however. Would you invest 5% in my site if I were updating it and working on more traffic? what if I could someday return your investment 2 - 3X? In your example Government is taking half of everything and handing it away to guys doing absolutely nothing. Less Gov is in order and I am all for that. We are in a bad situation now because guys want to print money and No one wants to ask where it comes from and how we pay it back. Every one wants a good arcade but it cost and I pay in work and money and learning more everyday. Everything has some cost so where are the Bush tax cuts coming from ( hint see my Euro post above ). The big lie some guys feed us is that we give it all away to the poor guys sitting around doing nothing. RickyG atleast now you can get that popcorn started and David you bought some great numbers to the table and I think we should look closely at what these guys will cost because consumer confidence is low. There are alot of variables and everything needs to be plugged in to get the big picture. __________________ Fun Online Games \| Sonic and Mario Games \| Trade arcade traffic 1:1 Our New Arcade script is coming to the market soon!

05-30-2008, 02:59 PM	#16 (permalink)
digitali16 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 519	LOL I will vote for him because I need change and I believe at this point he represents change. I am black and could care less about his skin color and I never voted for Jesse Jackson hitsfree. Yes I do agree some black people are racist and infact I can't think of any one race who does not have some form of racism. My point is that we need to get beyond that and move on to the real issues. __________________ Fun Online Games \| Sonic and Mario Games \| Trade arcade traffic 1:1 Our New Arcade script is coming to the market soon!

05-30-2008, 02:46 PM	#14 (permalink)
hitsfree Cranky Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 564	Obama represents bad news for Arcade Owners. He's the one candidate that said he will raise Taxes immediately. That will affect all arcade owners worldwide. Why? because the first to get taxed will be Google, Yahoo, HostGator, HostMonster, ValueClick, MSN, AOL etc. And they will pass this tax down into higher hosting fees, IP service and lower payouts to all affiliates. It just follows he's the worst candidate for small businesses, the middle class and the poor. The reason 93% of blacks vote for him is because of his skin shade. Is this not some form of racism to vote for someone regardless of their qualifications?

05-30-2008, 03:17 PM	#17 (permalink)
Gamehopper Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 379	I was in line at a convenience store the other day, the lady in line in front of me, obviously not a woman of means, was discussing her tax rebate check. She was complaining it was not enough! I almost told her off. That money has to come from somewhere, so someone worked hard to get it. She got it for free! Now in theory the tax rebate check is supposed to stimulate the economy. I would like to find a candidate that actually CUT taxes. Leave the rebates to the cell phone stores. So the short answer Alfred is that Bush never cut taxes, he just overcharged you then made you feel good by giving some back. Our government is so large it will soon swallow itself. I feel like it's just a popularity contest among all these candidates, and maybe it has always been that way. But with the majority of the press releases bordering on absurd findings of pastors, and lapel pins, people will never really get down to what these candidates really stand for. I feel like this year its lose,lose, all the way around. I will vote for McCain out of resignation, not out of inspiration. I really think about half of all government programs need to be thrown in the trash, and most of all welfare programs need to be abolished. Anyone ever stop to think about pre-welfare? Gee how did those people make it? We have now and will always have a lower income class population, and it is funny how historically conservatives have helped lower incomes and minorities more than liberals, and yet the majority of the minority vote goes to the party that cares the least. AS for the big lie some feed you and your giving it all away to the poor? Thats no lie, I come from poverty. My mother sent each of us seven children to the store one at a time with a 1 dollar food stamp (yeah I am old) and we bought a soda for 15cents and brought back the change so she could buy beer and cigarettes with it. Do you think for one second that behavior is not going on now? I get harrased at the grocery store to buy someones food stamp card about twice a month. Screw welfare... we don't need it, and we never have. The point I am trying to make is, this is about way more than pastors and lapel pins. It's is not about black, white or male/female, I really don't care about those things. I want to know my countries future is actually in good hands. I fear it is not. __________________ Play Online Games Sniper Games and Scary Games Trade Traffic with GameHopper

05-30-2008, 04:00 PM	#18 (permalink)
gamesvine Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 24	And for you guys all about tax cuts, don't you see where that's led? Do you have any understanding of why your inflation is so high or why your dollar is worth so much less than it used to or why your economy is in the crapper? You're funding a war by printing more money, not by making more money. This makes every dollar you own worth less. This is the hidden tax in the bush administration. You may be keeping more money but your money is worth less and less. This is called inflation and is one of the reasons your gas costs are getting worse and worse and food costs more and more. China could bankrupt your country in an instant by releasing the trillion dollars they have of us currency sitting in a bank. This is what Bush has done for you, doubled your country's debt in 8 years and you're happy cause it looks like you saved a thousand dollars when in fact he's put every man woman and child in even more debt. You've got to look at the big picture, wake up! Obama wants to fix this broken system and has far better ideas about how to fix it than John McCain. __________________ Nick www.gamesvine.com Sign-up for a site-wide PR-4 link exchange here: http://www.gamesvine.com/webmasters

05-30-2008, 04:04 PM	#19 (permalink)
gamesvine Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 24	hitsfree, I'm not gonna even bother. You're convinced Obama is a white hating bigot who will put all white people into slavery. Paranoid much? You're the one who's eating Fox News' BS. Have you even listened to his speech on Race relations? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf0x_TpDris I challenge you to watch that video and come back here and spew that hate speech. Probably the most inspirational speech I've ever heard and I'm white. __________________ Nick www.gamesvine.com Sign-up for a site-wide PR-4 link exchange here: http://www.gamesvine.com/webmasters

05-30-2008, 06:01 PM	#20 (permalink)
hitsfree Cranky Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 564	Gamesvine - I notice your posts are factually incorrect and bash president Bush. But this thread is about Obama and we don't need to hear the lame bush bashing. Start a new thread if you must bash bush. And why does your color matter? Try to post facts that can backed up and then maybe we can dialogue.

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